diff --git a/README.md b/README.md
index 9f404592..ee367605 100644
--- a/README.md
+++ b/README.md
@@ -45,7 +45,7 @@ npm run build        # writes dist/ and regenerates index.html; the folder is wh
 The browser suite and the three example games need a machine with a GPU:
 
 ```bash
-node tools/seed-e2e.mjs && node tools/e2e.mjs      # the editor, 1692 checks (GM_STEPS=20 for one step)
+node tools/seed-e2e.mjs && node tools/e2e.mjs      # the editor, 1695 checks (GM_STEPS=20 for one step)
                                                    #   every tool signs in first – see the Accounts page
 node tools/seed-jumprun.mjs && node tools/smoke-jumprun.mjs
 node tools/seed-tetris.mjs && node tools/smoke-tetris.mjs
diff --git a/src/core/properties/PropertySchema.ts b/src/core/properties/PropertySchema.ts
index b495f845..59d39855 100644
--- a/src/core/properties/PropertySchema.ts
+++ b/src/core/properties/PropertySchema.ts
@@ -132,6 +132,7 @@ export function initialOf(def: PropertyDef): PropertyValue {
 
 /** Whether the inspector shows the row, given the values of the bag it is on. */
 export function isRowShown(def: PropertyDef, values: PropertyBag): boolean {
+  if ('noRow' in def && def.noRow) return false;
   if (
     'shownFor' in def &&
     def.shownFor &&
@@ -197,8 +198,9 @@ export type PropertyDef =
    * A list declares nothing about its items: each one carries its own kind (see `listItems.ts`),
    * and the graph types a list as a list, so one `list` port fits them all. An `itemType` makes
    * every item a struct of that Struct asset (#254), each marked with it (`ITEM_TYPE_KEY`).
+   * `noRow` keeps it out of the inspector: its items are edited somewhere else (#295).
    */
-  | { key: string; label: string; kind: 'list'; default: ListValue; itemType?: string }
+  | { key: string; label: string; kind: 'list'; default: ListValue; itemType?: string; noRow?: boolean }
   /**
    * `fields` is the declaration; the value carries exactly those keys, which is what lets a struct
    * keep its shape while single fields are written (`mergeStruct`). With a `structType` the fields
@@ -605,11 +607,13 @@ const ASSET_SCHEMAS: Record<AssetType, PropertySchema> = {
     { key: 'width', label: 'Width', kind: 'number', default: 100, min: 1, step: 1 },
     { key: 'height', label: 'Height', kind: 'number', default: 100, min: 1, step: 1 },
     { key: 'radius', label: 'Radius', kind: 'number', default: 50, min: 1, step: 1 },
-    // A polygon's corners in the collider's own units, edited on the outline in the scene (#151).
+    // A polygon's corners in the collider's own units, edited on the outline in the scene (#151) –
+    // and only there: the inspector does not list them (#295).
     {
       key: 'points',
       label: 'Points',
       kind: 'list',
+      noRow: true,
       default: [
         { x: 0, y: -50 },
         { x: 50, y: 50 },
diff --git a/src/editor/container/ContainerCanvas.ts b/src/editor/container/ContainerCanvas.ts
index e9894a86..4f829d5c 100644
--- a/src/editor/container/ContainerCanvas.ts
+++ b/src/editor/container/ContainerCanvas.ts
@@ -37,6 +37,10 @@ export class ContainerCanvas extends SceneViewport {
     return asset?.type === 'container' ? asset : undefined;
   }
 
+  protected override framesOnOpen(): boolean {
+    return false;
+  }
+
   /** A container has no background of its own – painting one would invent a scene it is not in. */
   protected override paintsBackground(): boolean {
     return false;
diff --git a/src/editor/inspector/objectSection.ts b/src/editor/inspector/objectSection.ts
index 70c24f44..e60c3cf4 100644
--- a/src/editor/inspector/objectSection.ts
+++ b/src/editor/inspector/objectSection.ts
@@ -6,7 +6,6 @@ import {
   RevertPositionToTemplateCommand,
 } from '../../core/commands/applyCommands';
 import type { ValuePath } from '../../core/properties/valuePath';
-import { UnpackContainerCommand } from '../../core/commands/containerCommands';
 import { ResizeTilemapEdgeCommand } from '../../core/commands/tilemapCommands';
 import { TILEMAP_COLUMNS_KEY, TILEMAP_EDGES, TILEMAP_ROWS_KEY } from '../../core/model/tilemap';
 import { findUsages } from '../../core/model/usages';
@@ -323,7 +322,7 @@ function assetLink(host: InspectorHost, key: string, text: string, asset: Asset)
 
 /**
  * What a placed container holds. While it follows its template the content cannot be changed here –
- * unpacking writes it into the scene as ordinary objects, which cuts the link for good.
+ * unpacking (its right-click menu) writes it into the scene as ordinary objects.
  */
 function contentSection(
   host: InspectorHost,
@@ -344,15 +343,6 @@ function contentSection(
   );
   if (templateCount === 0) return;
   addNote(host, 'Its content is listed below it in the hierarchy.', 'small');
-  addGap(host);
-  host.body.add(
-    new Button('Unpack', {
-      variant: 'ghost',
-      onClick: () => host.state.execute(new UnpackContainerCommand(holderId, object.id)),
-    }),
-  );
-  addNote(host, 'Copies the content into the scene and stops', 'small');
-  addNote(host, 'following the template.', 'small');
 }
 
 /** Pushes the current model values into the rows. False when the object is gone (rebuild). */
diff --git a/src/editor/viewport/FreeViewport.ts b/src/editor/viewport/FreeViewport.ts
index 0fec2278..dfb9867c 100644
--- a/src/editor/viewport/FreeViewport.ts
+++ b/src/editor/viewport/FreeViewport.ts
@@ -40,6 +40,12 @@ export abstract class FreeViewport extends WorldViewport<EditorState> {
    * placed and where the preview places its root, so content far off to one side would hide it.
    */
   fit(): void {
+    this.frameContent();
+    this.redraw();
+  }
+
+  /** Points the camera at everything drawn, without drawing. */
+  protected frameContent(): void {
     const { items } = this.collectFrame();
     const boxes = items.map((item) => {
       const e = footprintExtent(item.type, item.props, item.m, item.frame);
@@ -55,7 +61,6 @@ export abstract class FreeViewport extends WorldViewport<EditorState> {
         Math.min((this.w - FIT_MARGIN * 2) / width, (this.h - FIT_MARGIN * 2) / height) * this.ratio(),
       ),
     };
-    this.redraw();
   }
 
   /** Centres the view on a world point, keeping the zoom (test hook). */
diff --git a/src/editor/viewport/SceneViewport.ts b/src/editor/viewport/SceneViewport.ts
index 830518fb..bedc7018 100644
--- a/src/editor/viewport/SceneViewport.ts
+++ b/src/editor/viewport/SceneViewport.ts
@@ -190,6 +190,7 @@ export class SceneViewport extends FreeViewport {
 
     state.on('load', () => {
       this.resetView();
+      this.framedFor = null;
       this.redraw();
     });
     state.on('pick', () => this.redraw());
@@ -213,9 +214,33 @@ export class SceneViewport extends FreeViewport {
       return;
     }
     this.missedRedraw = false;
+    this.frameOpened();
     super.redraw();
   }
 
+  /** The scene the view was last framed for; null until the first one after a load. */
+  private framedFor: string | null = null;
+
+  /**
+   * A scene comes up framed as if Fit had been clicked (#295) – after a load and when another one
+   * is opened. From then on the view is the user's. A scene loaded by the running game is not one
+   * opened: the view is back on the edited scene when the game stops. An empty scene has nothing
+   * to frame and comes up at the origin, one pixel per unit.
+   */
+  private frameOpened(): void {
+    if (!this.framesOnOpen() || this.state.mode !== 'edit' || this.w <= 0 || this.h <= 0) return;
+    const id = this.holder()?.id ?? '';
+    if (id === this.framedFor) return;
+    this.framedFor = id;
+    this.resetView();
+    if (this.collectFrame().items.length > 0) this.frameScene();
+  }
+
+  /** The Container tab keeps the view of each container instead (#171). */
+  protected framesOnOpen(): boolean {
+    return true;
+  }
+
   /** Coming back on screen: draws what was skipped while hidden. */
   catchUp(): void {
     if (this.missedRedraw) this.redraw();
@@ -272,12 +297,16 @@ export class SceneViewport extends FreeViewport {
    * switching between the two tabs moves nothing. Without one, frames the whole content.
    */
   fitScene(): void {
-    const camera = cameraOfItems(this.collectFrame().items);
-    if (!camera) return this.fit();
-    this.view = freeViewOfCamera(camera, this.w, this.h, this.state.gameScale, this.ratio());
+    this.frameScene();
     this.redraw();
   }
 
+  private frameScene(): void {
+    const camera = cameraOfItems(this.collectFrame().items);
+    if (camera) this.view = freeViewOfCamera(camera, this.w, this.h, this.state.gameScale, this.ratio());
+    else this.frameContent();
+  }
+
   /** Where Ctrl+V puts objects: under the pointer while it is over this view, else nowhere in particular. */
   pasteHere(): boolean {
     const holder = this.holder();
diff --git a/tests/core/polygon.test.ts b/tests/core/polygon.test.ts
index 733076ea..b3359236 100644
--- a/tests/core/polygon.test.ts
+++ b/tests/core/polygon.test.ts
@@ -21,6 +21,7 @@ import {
   shapeContains,
   shapesOverlap,
 } from '../../src/core/properties/collider';
+import { defaultsFor, isRowShown, schemaFor } from '../../src/core/properties/PropertySchema';
 import { gripAt, withCornerAfter, withCornerMoved, withoutCorner } from '../../src/editor/polygonEdit';
 
 const P = (...xy: number[]) =>
@@ -265,6 +266,14 @@ describe('editing an outline by its corners', () => {
     expect(withoutCorner(P(0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1), 0)).toBeNull();
     expect(withoutCorner(P(0, 0, 1, 0), 0, 0)).toEqual(P(1, 0));
   });
+
+  it('the corners are a property of the collider, but no row in the inspector (#295)', () => {
+    const collider = schemaFor('collider');
+    expect(collider.map((d) => d.key)).toContain('points');
+    expect(defaultsFor('collider').points).toHaveLength(3);
+    for (const shape of ['box', 'polygon'])
+      expect(collider.filter((d) => isRowShown(d, { shape })).map((d) => d.key)).not.toContain('points');
+  });
 });
 
 /** A ring as a set of corners, whichever corner it starts at and whichever way it runs. */
diff --git a/tools/e2e/03-play.mjs b/tools/e2e/03-play.mjs
index ce6af1a5..0e321089 100644
--- a/tools/e2e/03-play.mjs
+++ b/tools/e2e/03-play.mjs
@@ -402,6 +402,20 @@ export async function play(t) {
     const { ok, detail } = await sameAsGame(label);
     check(`Fit in the scene tab shows the world exactly as the game view does at ${label}`, ok, detail);
   }
+  // 3i. A project that is loaded brings its scene up framed the same way, without the click (#295).
+  //     The scale still stands at Fit, so the framed view is not the one a bare reset would give.
+  const gameAtFit = await json(`__gm.gameRect('o1')`);
+  await showTab('scene');
+  await evaluate('__gm.lookAt(5000, 5000)');
+  await evaluate('__gm.state.loadProject(__gm.state.project, __gm.state.revision)');
+  await showTab('scene');
+  const sceneOnLoad = await json(`__gm.objectRect('o1')`);
+  check(
+    'a loaded project shows its scene framed like Fit, without a click',
+    Boolean(sceneOnLoad) && ['x', 'y', 'w', 'h'].every((k) => Math.abs(sceneOnLoad[k] - gameAtFit[k]) < 0.01),
+    JSON.stringify({ gameAtFit, sceneOnLoad }),
+  );
+  await showTab('game');
   g = await pickScale('100%');
   check('and 100% can be picked back', g.mode === 1 && g.scale === 1, JSON.stringify(g));
   await showTab('scene');
diff --git a/tools/e2e/04-assets.mjs b/tools/e2e/04-assets.mjs
index 723f3c45..0ae5ce3a 100644
--- a/tools/e2e/04-assets.mjs
+++ b/tools/e2e/04-assets.mjs
@@ -151,6 +151,8 @@ export async function assets(t) {
     `__gm.state.project.assets.push({ id: 'scene2', type: 'scene', name: 'Level 2', props: { backgroundColor: 0x22252c }, objects: [] })`,
   );
   const secondScene = await json("__gm.assetRow('scene2')");
+  await evaluate('__gm.lookAt(5000, 5000)');
+  const pannedAway = await json(`__gm.objectRect('o1')`);
   await showTab('graph');
   await doubleClick(secondScene.x, secondScene.y);
   check(
@@ -166,6 +168,18 @@ export async function assets(t) {
     (await json('__gm.state.project.activeSceneId')) === 'scene1',
     await json('__gm.state.project.activeSceneId'),
   );
+  // An opened scene comes up framed, as if Fit had been clicked (#295) – not where the view stood.
+  const opened = await json(`__gm.objectRect('o1')`);
+  const fitAt = await json(`__gm.sceneHeaderAt('fit')`);
+  await click(fitAt.x, fitAt.y);
+  const fitted = await json(`__gm.objectRect('o1')`);
+  const sameRect = (a, b) =>
+    Boolean(a && b) && ['x', 'y', 'w', 'h'].every((k) => Math.abs(a[k] - b[k]) < 0.01);
+  check(
+    'a scene that is opened comes up framed like after a click on Fit',
+    sameRect(opened, fitted) && !sameRect(opened, pannedAway),
+    JSON.stringify({ pannedAway, opened, fitted }),
+  );
   await mutate(`__gm.state.project.assets = __gm.state.project.assets.filter((a) => a.id !== 'scene2')`);
 
   // 4d′. Opening an asset: a click on its row only selects, a double-click opens the tab it
diff --git a/tools/e2e/09-containers.mjs b/tools/e2e/09-containers.mjs
index 176c9593..559147cc 100644
--- a/tools/e2e/09-containers.mjs
+++ b/tools/e2e/09-containers.mjs
@@ -388,10 +388,12 @@ export async function containers(t) {
   const storedBeforeUnpack = (await storedObjects()).length;
   await selectObject(instanceC.id);
   check(
-    'the inspector shows what the placed container follows',
-    await has('Follows a template of 5 object(s).'),
+    'the inspector shows what the placed container follows, without a button to unpack it (#295)',
+    (await has('Follows a template of 5 object(s).')) && !(await has('Unpack')),
   );
-  await clickText('Unpack');
+  const instanceCRow = await json(`__gm.hierarchyRow(${JSON.stringify(instanceC.id)})`);
+  await click(instanceCRow.x, instanceCRow.y, 'right');
+  await clickText('Unpack container');
   check(
     'Unpack writes the content into the scene, keeping the ids and the listing',
     (await storedObjects()).length === storedBeforeUnpack + 5 &&
@@ -405,8 +407,9 @@ export async function containers(t) {
   );
   await selectObject(instanceC.id);
   check(
-    'and the inspector stops offering the unpack, there is nothing left to follow',
-    !(await has('Unpack')) && !(await has('Follows a template of 5 object(s).')),
+    'and the inspector says so, there is nothing left to follow',
+    (await has('Unpacked: its content is stored in the scene.')) &&
+      !(await has('Follows a template of 5 object(s).')),
   );
   await setTemplate(`tpl.position.x = -300`);
   check(
@@ -597,6 +600,17 @@ export async function containers(t) {
   const listedBeforeReload = (await objects()).length;
   await navigate();
   await sleep(500);
+  // The reloaded scene stands framed already (#295): a click on Fit moves nothing.
+  const afterReload = await json(`__gm.objectRect(${JSON.stringify(instanceB.id)})`);
+  const fitButton = await json(`__gm.sceneHeaderAt('fit')`);
+  await click(fitButton.x, fitButton.y);
+  const afterFit = await json(`__gm.objectRect(${JSON.stringify(instanceB.id)})`);
+  check(
+    'after a reload the scene is framed as Fit frames it',
+    Boolean(afterReload && afterFit) &&
+      ['x', 'y', 'w', 'h'].every((k) => Math.abs(afterReload[k] - afterFit[k]) < 0.01),
+    JSON.stringify({ afterReload, afterFit }),
+  );
   check(
     'a reloaded project resolves the same content again, deviations included',
     (await objects()).length === listedBeforeReload &&